1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:24,000 There was splashing out on the creek and it was so intense it sounded like someone was drowning. 2 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,800 There was one drowning. 3 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:27,960 Did they find him right away? 4 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,960 I imagine they did but it was too late. 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,960 I command you now to come forward. 6 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,960 There's something up at the thermal camera. 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,960 It's like something pulsing. 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Oh shh. 9 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:54,960 I think there's something behind this bathtub. 10 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,960 My name is Ryan and I'm a paranormal investigator. 11 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,960 When I was a kid my experiences with the supernatural terrified me and I've been searching for answers ever since. 12 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:08,960 So when I got to Penn State I realized I wasn't alone in my quest. 13 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:14,960 So I founded the Paranormal Research Society dedicated to helping those who were haunted like I was. 14 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,960 We are students. 15 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:18,960 We are seekers. 16 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:20,960 Sometimes we're warriors. 17 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:25,960 And each time we help someone I feel like I'm one step closer to finding the truth. 18 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,960 This is Paranormal State. 19 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:32,960 Hey guys. 20 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:33,960 Hey. 21 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:34,960 Nice to see you. 22 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:36,960 It's nice seeing you too. 23 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,960 So we got a new guest investigator with us. 24 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,960 You guys are a member Jimmy. 25 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:43,960 He's a former client of ours from the Family Ties case. 26 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,960 Since we last saw him he's been doing some investigations of his own so. 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,960 I thought maybe he could help us out for this case. 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,960 Which speaking of. 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,960 We are here in Maryland because Kim and Johnny contacted us. 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Upon building their house and moving in things started happening. 31 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,960 And it's mainly really going on with their sons. 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,960 Josh and Nick. 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Nick is the oldest. 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,960 And now Nick has been having some really scary experiences. 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,960 They've seen the apparition of a little boy. 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960 They've heard voices. 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,960 They've heard footsteps. 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Everybody in that house has had an experience. 39 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,960 So we need to go in there and deal with the situation. 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:20,960 Okay. 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Hi Kim. 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,960 Hi Ryan. 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,960 Nice to meet you. 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:48,960 So normally we knock on the door and we're greeted inside. 45 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,960 Inside why are you guys standing outside? 46 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,960 Because the activity has been so high. 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Something is going on and it's just. 48 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:55,960 Okay. 49 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Well would any of you be willing to go in with us to give us a tour? 50 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:08,960 If you're here we're pretty good with that. 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,960 So this is the bathroom. 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:10,960 What's your name? 53 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,960 I'm a good owner. 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:12,960 You want to go in? 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Will you turn the lights on? 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:14,960 Yes sure. 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:15,960 Here. 58 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Yeah. 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,960 What happens? 60 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:24,960 They'll just stay in there but I can tell when I get off they'll be hiding in there. 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960 So these things are closed? 62 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Sometimes they'll be closed or sometimes they'll be opened right there but then it will still 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,960 hide behind them. 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,960 So it's always in a dark place where you can't see? 65 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:36,960 Yeah. 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,960 I see these kids coming in my room and waking me up. 67 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:42,960 Where do they come from? 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,960 They live in the backyard. 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:52,960 I was in my sister's room and he was in here and I heard someone say I'll take this one 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,960 and I'll take this one. 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:55,960 You can have this one. 72 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 So I'll play board games with you. 73 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,960 Josh came in terrified that night and then admitted that he was playing a game with 74 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,960 these little kids he said. 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:07,960 So this is your room? 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Um this is my room. 77 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Another day. 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,960 I was in bed. 79 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,960 And in this window right here there was a little boy. 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,960 I was like maybe I'm just saying things. 81 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,960 I walked in my bathroom and came back in a few minutes and he was looking at me and 82 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,960 the next thing I know his head turned and he was looking that way towards the water. 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,960 So he was outside? 84 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Yeah but it was only his head and he had purple lips. 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,960 So when did you notice something weird was going on here in this house? 86 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,960 I was outside around 8.30 or 9. 87 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:40,960 I just put the kids to bed. 88 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,960 They were splashing out on the creek and it was so intense. 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,960 It sounded like somebody was drowning. 90 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,960 And right before that I thought I saw a little boy floating in the water. 91 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,960 Well tell me about Nick. 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,960 I finally told Nicholas that I needed him to tell me what exactly he is afraid of. 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,960 The day that he told me he started describing another child sort of harassing him and blocks 94 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,960 the door so he can't run to us. 95 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:14,960 I'll lay right here and on that door I could feel like it watching me could see his feet 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,960 under the door. 97 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,960 So I got so scared I ran out. 98 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:28,960 So I literally ran through it and I could feel like tingly all in my chest and then 99 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,960 it was following me like thump thump thump. 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Do you ever think maybe you scare them? 101 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,960 He's not afraid of me at all. 102 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 I'm afraid of him. 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,960 And I told him if anything ever tried to intimidate him or do anything like that again, 104 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,960 don't let anything stop you from getting to me. 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:55,960 And he sat there one night and he got up his courage to like go through it. 106 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Because he was listening to what I said. 107 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:08,960 And he um, he trusted that I was right and he would be okay and I don't know. 108 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,960 I need everybody to be okay and I want my family back. 109 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:20,960 I want my house back and the house means nothing if my kids are tortured and 110 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,960 we just want our life back. 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,960 Hey! 112 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Hey, how you doing? 113 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,960 Good. 114 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,960 What are you picking up so far? 115 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Whatever is haunting here isn't haunting the house itself but the space around here 116 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,960 I think has more history than the physical house itself. 117 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:59,960 The sense of being watched or having a presence in here when you should be alone. 118 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,960 Do you want to go outside? 119 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Sure. 120 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:10,960 I think it's better to be alone and not to be alone. 121 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,960 So, how do you feel about that? 122 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,260 when you should be alone. 123 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,660 Do you want to go outside? 124 00:07:18,660 --> 00:07:19,660 Sure. 125 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Oh, well. 126 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,860 I can't help but thinking that the water has some effect 127 00:07:29,860 --> 00:07:31,360 on what's going on here. 128 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:36,060 I think there might be a male presence, but... 129 00:07:36,060 --> 00:07:37,260 What's his story? 130 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,260 He's looking for something. 131 00:07:41,260 --> 00:07:42,760 He's looking for something and there's a sense 132 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,460 of simmering anger underneath things. 133 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:46,960 He either feels that something was taken away from him 134 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,960 or... 135 00:07:49,460 --> 00:07:51,960 or he was wrong somehow, maybe during life, 136 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,760 but he's looking for something. 137 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,860 So the goal for tonight's dead time, 138 00:08:11,860 --> 00:08:14,260 see if we capture any supernatural activity 139 00:08:14,260 --> 00:08:17,160 because obviously we need to see if anything's even here. 140 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,460 So Jimmy and Katrina, you'll be in the main floor 141 00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:22,860 versus with the two of you. 142 00:08:22,860 --> 00:08:24,160 So you each have cameras. 143 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:24,960 That's cool. 144 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,260 Myself and Michelle will be Roman the rest of the house. 145 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:30,660 Sergi will be monitoring in tech. 146 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:32,360 You'll let us know if anything's going on. 147 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,260 You'll alert us. 148 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:34,260 Yeah. 149 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:36,660 All right, sir. 150 00:08:36,660 --> 00:08:38,660 Jory to go if Katrina's ready. 151 00:08:38,660 --> 00:08:39,660 I'm ready. 152 00:08:40,660 --> 00:08:43,660 We're speaking to whomever's in this house. 153 00:08:43,660 --> 00:08:45,660 We mean you no harm whatsoever. 154 00:08:45,660 --> 00:08:48,660 At this point, we would like to communicate with you. 155 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,660 Who's the person who bothers the children? 156 00:09:02,660 --> 00:09:04,660 I command you now to come forward. 157 00:09:05,660 --> 00:09:08,660 Why are you scaring the kids here? 158 00:09:10,660 --> 00:09:13,660 If you're here, I want you to show yourself. 159 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:24,660 Is there any little kid here or any little boy? 160 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:30,660 All we need is one really loud sound. 161 00:09:35,660 --> 00:09:38,660 If you make that noise, we will leave you alone. 162 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:45,660 Can you hear that? 163 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:46,660 Yeah. 164 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:51,660 What the hell was that? 165 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:55,660 Oh, sh**. 166 00:09:56,660 --> 00:09:58,660 Sorry, Jory, are you hearing that noise? 167 00:10:05,660 --> 00:10:07,660 I can't tell where it's coming from. 168 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:11,660 I don't like that. 169 00:10:15,660 --> 00:10:16,660 Because I heard... 170 00:10:17,660 --> 00:10:18,660 Did you hear that? 171 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:19,660 Yes, I did. 172 00:10:21,660 --> 00:10:22,660 Hold on. 173 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:23,660 Let me check. 174 00:10:25,660 --> 00:10:29,660 If you're trying to communicate with us, keep doing it. 175 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:36,660 Are you here? 176 00:10:40,660 --> 00:10:41,660 Whoa. 177 00:10:41,660 --> 00:10:43,660 There's something up with the thermal camera. 178 00:10:45,660 --> 00:10:47,660 It's like something pulsing. 179 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:50,660 Why is it pulsing? 180 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:52,660 It's like a heartbeat. 181 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:53,660 It's like... 182 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:54,660 Oh, sh**. 183 00:10:54,660 --> 00:10:56,660 I think there's something behind this... 184 00:10:57,660 --> 00:10:58,660 bathtub. 185 00:10:58,660 --> 00:11:00,660 I think there's something behind this... 186 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:02,660 bathtub. 187 00:11:20,660 --> 00:11:23,660 There's something up with the thermal camera. 188 00:11:24,660 --> 00:11:25,660 It's like a heartbeat. 189 00:11:25,660 --> 00:11:26,660 And it's like... 190 00:11:26,660 --> 00:11:27,660 Oh, sh**. 191 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:30,660 I think there's something behind this... 192 00:11:31,660 --> 00:11:32,660 bathtub. 193 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:45,660 Sh**. 194 00:11:49,660 --> 00:11:50,660 Nothing. 195 00:11:51,660 --> 00:11:53,660 Alright, end of dead time. 196 00:11:58,660 --> 00:12:08,660 So, Serge... 197 00:12:08,660 --> 00:12:14,660 Regarding the thermal camera, was that problem only within the first few minutes, or was that throughout? 198 00:12:14,660 --> 00:12:21,660 If I pointed at somebody like here, like Jimmy, Katrina, couch, then windows, it wouldn't do it. 199 00:12:21,660 --> 00:12:26,660 If I pointed at just that wall, then it would be like the circle, it would move pulsing. 200 00:12:26,660 --> 00:12:28,660 Yeah, I tried it out and I saw it. 201 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:33,660 My thinking is that it's slowly averaging out the temperature around in the circular area. 202 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:36,660 So what it's doing is starting from the middle point and then saying, what's the temperature in the middle? 203 00:12:36,660 --> 00:12:38,660 And it's going around and around and around. 204 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:44,660 And then finally, at the last minute, it resets and it tells you it's like sort of the flat average of the wall. 205 00:12:44,660 --> 00:12:48,660 So if you just like held it against the wall long enough, it would just do that, you think? 206 00:12:48,660 --> 00:12:49,660 Yeah. 207 00:12:49,660 --> 00:12:50,660 Okay. 208 00:12:50,660 --> 00:12:51,660 So I would say that that is probably... 209 00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:54,660 Even though we don't have a direct explanation for it, it's not paranormal. 210 00:12:56,660 --> 00:12:57,660 Okay. 211 00:13:11,660 --> 00:13:12,660 How long did you live here? 212 00:13:12,660 --> 00:13:15,660 From the mid-90s to late 90s. 213 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:16,660 To late 90s? 214 00:13:16,660 --> 00:13:18,660 And you guys sold it to Kim and her family? 215 00:13:18,660 --> 00:13:19,660 Yes, we did. 216 00:13:19,660 --> 00:13:20,660 Okay. 217 00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:22,660 And this was your summer home, right? 218 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:24,660 This was a summer vacation home. 219 00:13:24,660 --> 00:13:26,660 We came down on the weekends. 220 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:28,660 We came down year-round. 221 00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:29,660 You know, different times of the year. 222 00:13:29,660 --> 00:13:30,660 We never rented it out. 223 00:13:30,660 --> 00:13:33,660 We just used it to enjoy it. 224 00:13:33,660 --> 00:13:35,660 So what do you know about the property? 225 00:13:35,660 --> 00:13:38,660 Well, it's a quiet neighborhood. 226 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:42,660 There's an old boat house next door. 227 00:13:42,660 --> 00:13:46,660 There was one drowning. 228 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:51,660 A little boy drowned and he just fell off the pier. 229 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:52,660 Oh, gosh. 230 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:56,660 And young children will just sink like a rock. 231 00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:59,660 It was just a little two-year-old. 232 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:00,660 It was a two-year-old. 233 00:14:00,660 --> 00:14:02,660 Did they find him right away? 234 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:05,660 I imagine they did, but it was too late. 235 00:14:10,660 --> 00:14:14,660 We're doing some research on a house that is in Shadyside. 236 00:14:14,660 --> 00:14:17,660 And their house overlooks the South Creek Bay. 237 00:14:17,660 --> 00:14:20,660 And I'm hoping you might have some information about unusual deaths 238 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:22,660 that might have taken place on that property. 239 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:35,660 Well, there is this article about a 13-year-old who drowned in the river 240 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:40,660 off of St. Lane there in 1991. 241 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:44,660 It's such a sad story, too, because he died trying to save his brother. 242 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:45,660 His brother, yeah. 243 00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:53,660 And of everything you know about this case, Katrina, 244 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:58,660 and everything you've looked at historically, anything connect? 245 00:14:58,660 --> 00:15:03,660 As far as tragedies go, there were two that I could come across. 246 00:15:03,660 --> 00:15:06,660 One was a three-year-old who drowned in 89. 247 00:15:06,660 --> 00:15:07,660 Really? 248 00:15:07,660 --> 00:15:08,660 Yeah. 249 00:15:08,660 --> 00:15:10,660 What happened was, I got the article about it. 250 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:12,660 The kid was playing out by the pier. 251 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:14,660 His mom thought he was riding a horse. 252 00:15:14,660 --> 00:15:16,660 He was playing out by the pier. 253 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:18,660 The kid was playing out by the pier. 254 00:15:18,660 --> 00:15:20,660 His mom thought he was riding bikes. 255 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:24,660 She went outside to call him in and to check up on him. 256 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:28,660 And the next thing you know, she sees a body of a little boy floating in the river. 257 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:32,660 And she just got this feeling that it was her son and jumped in. 258 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:33,660 And yeah, it was her son. 259 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:38,660 Well, they did say he saw something like a boy with blue lips. 260 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:40,660 Which one makes sense? 261 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:41,660 Yeah, that does. 262 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:42,660 That's kind of creepy. 263 00:15:42,660 --> 00:15:43,660 I think that's creepy. 264 00:15:43,660 --> 00:15:48,660 The second one was a 13-year-old boy drowned in 91. 265 00:15:48,660 --> 00:15:52,660 He jumped in after his 15-year-old brother to try to save him. 266 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:53,660 Oh, that's mean. 267 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:54,660 And he didn't make up. 268 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:55,660 He was 13. 269 00:15:55,660 --> 00:16:01,660 You know, Nichelle said that whatever she saw last night or whatever she was picking up on wanted something was looking for something. 270 00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:04,660 The boy who drowned was trying to save his brother. 271 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,660 That's how he drowned, so I don't know if there's a connection there. 272 00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:09,660 Director's log. 273 00:16:10,660 --> 00:16:16,660 I need to talk to the family about our historical research and the possible connection to the Dramatings in South Creek. 274 00:16:16,660 --> 00:16:22,660 But first, I've just been informed that Kim's son, Nick, is claiming to have felt a presence upstairs. 275 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:25,660 What's up, Nick? 276 00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:27,660 It feels like he's upstairs. 277 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:28,660 Something's upstairs. 278 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:29,660 Yeah? Do you want to show me where? 279 00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:30,660 No. 280 00:16:30,660 --> 00:16:32,660 No? Well, how am I going to find it if you're not going to show me? 281 00:16:32,660 --> 00:16:36,660 I can just feel something upstairs, like above the steps. 282 00:16:36,660 --> 00:16:37,660 Uh-huh. 283 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:38,660 You want to go with you? 284 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:39,660 No. 285 00:16:39,660 --> 00:16:41,660 How are you doing with your body? 286 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:43,660 Well, I'm good. You're almost done. 287 00:16:43,660 --> 00:16:46,660 I'm with you. I'm with you. Don't worry. Don't worry. Everything's okay. 288 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,660 What are we throwing in? And I'm here? 289 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:51,660 What do you feel? 290 00:16:51,660 --> 00:16:55,660 I'm feeling... I don't know. Just... 291 00:16:58,660 --> 00:16:59,660 You okay, Kim? 292 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:00,660 I don't want to get down. 293 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:01,660 I don't want to be. 294 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:02,660 Why don't you go back down? 295 00:17:02,660 --> 00:17:03,660 You're good. Say what's happening. 296 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:04,660 Mom. 297 00:17:04,660 --> 00:17:05,660 I'm here. 298 00:17:05,660 --> 00:17:06,660 What's your problem? 299 00:17:06,660 --> 00:17:09,660 Mom, I want to get down. 300 00:17:09,660 --> 00:17:11,660 Which way do you think Sarine can walk on? 301 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:12,660 Can you point? 302 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:13,660 Which way? 303 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:15,660 That way. 304 00:17:23,660 --> 00:17:25,660 So, Nick, man, what is your feel? 305 00:17:25,660 --> 00:17:27,660 It's felt like tingly, and then... 306 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:28,660 Yeah? 307 00:17:28,660 --> 00:17:33,660 But not like the tingly, like, when I went through it that one time. 308 00:17:34,660 --> 00:17:36,660 You mean when you ran out of your room and you went through it? 309 00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:37,660 Yeah. 310 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:41,660 Is everything alright, Kim? 311 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:45,660 I was going to pass out. I fell it over there upstairs. 312 00:17:45,660 --> 00:17:46,660 It's like... 313 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:47,660 Can you feel it, too? 314 00:17:47,660 --> 00:17:50,660 I'm fine. I got a little headache. 315 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:52,660 Okay? 316 00:17:54,660 --> 00:17:55,660 Kim, are you okay? 317 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:01,660 Oh, I feel so bad. He's feeling this, God. 318 00:18:01,660 --> 00:18:04,660 Oh, God. Just do it to me, not him. 319 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:06,660 Just let him stop. 320 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:10,660 You'll find this all. You'll find this in... 321 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:16,660 I'll leave this alone. 322 00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:18,660 Director's log. 323 00:18:18,660 --> 00:18:22,660 After witnessing Nick's intense reaction to the presence he fell upstairs, 324 00:18:22,660 --> 00:18:25,660 and the impact of his mother's emotional response, 325 00:18:25,660 --> 00:18:29,660 I've asked child psychologist Dr. Athena Drews to join our investigation. 326 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:33,660 Do you ever tell him to go away? 327 00:18:33,660 --> 00:18:34,660 No. 328 00:18:34,660 --> 00:18:35,660 You can. 329 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:36,660 I can. 330 00:18:36,660 --> 00:18:38,660 You can tell him, go away. Leave me alone. 331 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,660 Do you think that Nick's genuinely experiencing something, 332 00:18:41,660 --> 00:18:44,660 or do you think that he's mainly feeding off of his mom's fears? 333 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:48,660 I think he has had some experiences that were real. 334 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:49,660 Right. 335 00:18:49,660 --> 00:18:52,660 But he's not feeling empowered to handle it. 336 00:18:52,660 --> 00:18:55,660 So I think that Nick needs to feel empowered to do that, 337 00:18:55,660 --> 00:19:00,660 and I think also he is very sensitive to the parents and their feelings and reactions. 338 00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:02,660 As kids are. 339 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:06,660 And so then he gets the feeling that maybe it should be negative, 340 00:19:06,660 --> 00:19:08,660 or it should be harmful. 341 00:19:25,660 --> 00:19:27,660 So we did historical research. 342 00:19:27,660 --> 00:19:29,660 There were two people who died in the creek. 343 00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:32,660 One was three years old, another one was 13 years old. 344 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:35,660 And they died here, dramatically. 345 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:38,660 What's interesting is that your kids have seen apparitions 346 00:19:38,660 --> 00:19:41,660 that look like children as well around the property. 347 00:19:41,660 --> 00:19:43,660 There's always these possibilities. 348 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,660 Unfortunately, as you guys know, 349 00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:47,660 when I was talking with Nick, 350 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:52,660 I can see that Nick is so really frightened by something. 351 00:19:52,660 --> 00:19:54,660 When they're frightened by something they can't explain, 352 00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:58,660 they try to reach out to the people they trust, the parents. 353 00:19:58,660 --> 00:20:00,660 Well, you're having a lot of experiences, 354 00:20:00,660 --> 00:20:02,660 and it's definitely affecting you, and Nick sees that. 355 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:08,660 So he sees that the people he trusts and looks at as the defenders of the universe 356 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:10,660 are also being affected by this, 357 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:12,660 which makes him feel a lot more frightened. 358 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:16,660 I do think that there's things that you guys can do with Nick 359 00:20:16,660 --> 00:20:18,660 to make the situation better. 360 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:21,660 And to be there when he says there's something there, 361 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:23,660 to go and investigate with them, 362 00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:24,660 but it's in a powering thing. 363 00:20:24,660 --> 00:20:26,660 The two of you need to realize that you are parents 364 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,660 and there is a lot of stuff you can do that you're not so helpless, 365 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:31,660 that you aren't powerless. 366 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:35,660 Final Directors Log 367 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:38,660 The sighting of a boy with purple lips 368 00:20:38,660 --> 00:20:42,660 and the reported splashing may be linked to spirits from the creek drownings. 369 00:20:42,660 --> 00:20:46,660 It's certainly an eerie coincidence, but we can't know for sure. 370 00:20:46,660 --> 00:20:47,660 Hi, Kim. 371 00:20:47,660 --> 00:20:48,660 Thank you so much for having me. 372 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,660 You're welcome. We'll be in touch, right? 373 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:50,660 Yes, definitely. 374 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:52,660 I'm hoping Kim can set a positive example for her kids 375 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:54,660 by taking back her home. 376 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:57,660 Well, these are actually for you guys. 377 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:00,660 You guys can have your own pure-ass walkies. 378 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:01,660 Thanks, Ryan. 379 00:21:01,660 --> 00:21:02,660 Yep. 380 00:21:02,660 --> 00:21:05,660 And as for Nick, like Jimmy and myself before him, 381 00:21:05,660 --> 00:21:08,660 exploring the supernatural may just be the first step 382 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:10,660 towards conquering his fear.